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April 02, 2004

Kos Hates America

Kos has started a nasty firestorm with his comments about the four contractors killed in Fallujah. Instapundit and everyone are all over it like a cheap suit. So he printed a retraction, which is just as horrifying as the original post.

I was angry that five soldiers -- the real heroes in my mind -- were killed the same day and got far lower billing in the newscasts. I was angry that 51 American soldiers paid the ultimate price for Bush's folly in Iraq in March alone. I was angry that these mercenaries make more in a day than our brave men and women in uniform make in an entire month. I was angry that the US is funding private armies, paying them $30,000 per soldier, per month, while the Bush administration tries to cut our soldiers' hazard pay. I was angry that these mercenaries would leave their wives and children behind to enter a war zone on their own violition.

The post is bad enough, but the comments are unfuckingbelievable. I’ve never seen so much anti-American hatred anywhere, even on Islam boards. Just go read it! You’ll see comments like these.

Damn these money grubbing mercenaries!

Remember Rachel Corrie!
You're citing personal concern and risk of loss. Absolutely true. Saddam's family probably grieves the deaths of Uday and Qusay, too.

But anyone over there sucking up big money is... well. Everyone has a price. Or so they say.

I have only the minimal human sympathy for their deaths and their treatment... and the pain that their kin are in.
If you want to play the self-interested game, fine: they made a bet, and lost. They didn't have to take the risk. It's kind of like a gambler who loses his whole life savings in the pursuit of the big payoff. He should never have taken the risk in the first place, and my sympathy for him is seriously compromised. His wife and kids still suffer, but that doesn't engender sympathy towards him so much as disgust.
They do pay that kind of money to black ops specialists, people who kidnap, torture, kill, plant bombs that kill innocent passersby, etc. The idea that they're doing the same kind of work, just getting more money for it is absurd.

As for providing for their family, let them get honest jobs. Nobody's got a God given right to make that much, especially if it entails criminal activity that civilized nations have pledged themselves to stop.
Is the USA never wrong? Do we never get what is coming to us? We're fighting our pretty war with hired goons, the kind of people that advertise in SOLDIER OF FORTUNE magazine. It's like Mother England and the Hessians in 1776. Is every dead American a martyr and a patriot? When are we going to wake up and see that WE ARE THE FRICKING BAD GUYS in this war...the agressor and the attacker. This is jingoism ancient Rome style, man. It's not about liberalism, it's about justice.

You can’t be much more direct than that, can you? These people hate America and everything it stands for, and would gladly have poured gasoline on any of those four people who were killed in Fallujah.
There are quite a few arguing against these vermin, though, with posts like

Its like its no longer proper to spit on vets so people are trying to backdoor the sentiment in any way they can.

Which is a pretty apt description of what’s going on in the thread.

On the other hand, the Arab News sources are generally horrified at what happened in Fallujah. For example, here’s an article from the Arab News of Saudi Arabia.

The spectacle of the mutilated remains of four American contractors being paraded through the streets of Fallujah will have turned the stomachs of all who saw this savagery on their television screens. This was mob violence at its worst.

Those who participated in the butchery must be punished. The mob may oppose the Coalition occupation. They may support the insurgents. They may count the death of soldiers as victories. But there is no understanding the brutish slaughter of four unarmed men who were working to rebuild their country. It was a senseless crime of great barbarity.

The Fallujah mob has soiled the reputation of Iraqis. It also appears to misrepresent the true feelings of most Iraqis, if an independent opinion poll commissioned by the BBC is to be believed. Some 70 percent of Iraqis thought their lives were better since the ouster of Saddam. A majority was optimistic, though perhaps significantly the least optimistic people were the citizens of Baghdad. There was also a preponderance of Iraqis who said that while they did not like the coalition being around, they wanted the troops to stay for the foreseeable future to combat the tide of violence.

It’s pretty bad when you find more reality and pro-Americanism coming out of Saudi Arabia than from Kerry supporters.

But many Americans will take the crazed mob in Fallujah as typical of all Iraqis. Their government has told them too often that Iraq equals terrorism, that Muslims are terrorists. We must not allow that to happen. Many people in Iraq may hate the American-led occupation, but that does not mean they can behave like rabid dogs and tear apart the bodies of innocent civilians who were there to build up, not beat down, Iraq. It is hard at such times for the voice of moderation to make itself heard. Nevertheless, honest Iraqis, including those in the city of Fallujah, and all honest Arabs, owe it to themselves to say loudly that Wednesday’s carnage was wrong.

Now why doesn’t Kos think like that? Can it be he hates America more than the Jihadis?

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Comments

Very nice looking site. Good job.

Posted by: gary at Apr 2, 2004 9:30:27 PM

Thank you very much!

Posted by: George Turner at Apr 2, 2004 10:10:52 PM

I read your comment at Misha's
"http://www.nicedoggie.net/archives/004006.html#004006"
and then lit an oil lamp. I scanned over 300 of those comments on KozKur's post.
Yeeeeccchh!

What a cloistered hateful bunch. I always thought their habit of witty quips, repeated ad nauseam, was soooo droll.

Here's mine, once:

In Truth I'll Die, No Shame, With Pride!

Posted by: LC Mikenchi at Apr 3, 2004 3:15:40 AM

Great analysis, Sir George.

You nailed it. The anti-American fifth column in THIS country is actually far WORSE than the Islamos and Splodeydopes are (as difficult as that is to believe).

They'll get THEIRS (I hope)....

Posted by: Cooper for President at Apr 3, 2004 3:32:29 AM

The fact that Kos is 1) tied to the Democratic party so intimately, and 2) has so many comments agreeing with him just goes to prove they are not the opposition. They are the enemy.

It is folks like Kos that makes me question their patriotism, their intelligence and their sanity. But until Kos' latest, I had no reason to question their compassion or humanity. Now I question that as well.

And folks wonder why I can't vote Democrat.

Posted by: Ben at Apr 3, 2004 4:12:19 AM

one of those contractors that was killed was scott helvenston,i did not know him personally but i knew who he was, ex seal ,16 years in the service, olympic athlete, and you may have saw him on the "combat missions" tv show that was on a year or so ago.scott's brother said that scott had never had to put his ass on the line while in the navy so he went to iraq to do his part. he was not a mercenary,he was over there helping to feed the folks in that shithole town.

Posted by: randall at Apr 3, 2004 9:29:10 AM

Apologies for pasting so much to your site, George. But I think this article helps to show what the city of Fallujah had seen in the days prior to the murder of the contractors.

"Marines seek to pacify Fallujah with show of force; residents are skeptical
By Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press, 3/31/2004 05:44

FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) Newly arrived U.S. Marines are leaving no doubt as to their resolve to defeat militants. Iraqis are awed by the Americans' show of force but remain convinced that they'll fail to stamp out the insurgency in one of the most dangerous cities for American troops...The California-based 1st Marine Expeditionary Force assumed responsibility for the city from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division in a troop rotation on March 24. Two days later, Marines and insurgents fought a lengthy street battle in the city's working-class al-Askari district that killed one Marine and wounded seven others. Five Iraqis, including a freelance ABC News cameraman, also died. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy chief of U.S. military operations in Iraq, on Tuesday blamed the violence in Fallujah on insurgents trying to test the willingness of the Marines to fight so soon after their arrival. A total of eight Marines have been killed in two weeks. On Tuesday, the Marines used tanks and armored fighting vehicles to block the main exits and entrances to Fallujah for the fourth day running. They lifted their blockade on Wednesday..."

Fallujah is a hornet's nest of insurgents, guerrillas, terrorists - whatever you care to call them. 4 men in a Humvee run an enormous risk entering a place like that.

I'm reading the Marines' small wars manual, and I'm not 100% sure the Marines are following the advice in their own text.

Posted by: Adam at Apr 3, 2004 10:24:45 AM

I applaud the 3 Democratic congressmen who did pull their ad from the shameful Daily Kos blog. You are true Americans. Of the 4 candidates only JANE MITAKIDES of OHIO still has an ad on Daily Kos. I sent her an e-mail, like many of you. I think we can now safely say she knows about Kos despicable remarks about how the 4 American contractors who died in Falluja deserved to die and she supports his views. I think we should try to make sure this deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavored, America hating, blood thirsty piece of shit does not get elected. We must all help to defeat this sadistic woman. If you are in this despicable monkey’s constituency, please give us the website and e-mail of her opponent and of the local Republican party chapter. It is obvious this woman thinks that sticking with Daily Kos will get her elected. We must prove her and like minded people wrong. This is not a Republican partisan action. It is about being human and being loyal to fellow Americans who were gruesomely murdered and mutilated while they were guarding food transports to feed the good people of Iraq. We must honor their memory and do our duty in this War of Terror against America. Our duty is to make sure JANE MITAKIDES does not get elected and that the DAILY KOS blog disappears from the blogosphere. We must not falter or fail, because these two people have chosen to align themselves with the terrorists who killed 4 of our fellow Americans. get involved:
http://michael-friedman.com/archives/000311.html

Posted by: Ricky Vandal at Apr 3, 2004 10:33:10 AM

Freedom of speech? Isn't this tantamount to "hate speech"? Shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater? Fighting words?

Ben Franklin said something to the effect that a man had the right to say anything he wants but also the opportunity to have his ass kicked for it. Just where does this Kos, this squirming serpent, this pewling coward, this traitorous, hatespewing, malignancy live anyway?

The anonymity of blogsites has made these arrogant pricks feel invulnerable. They should be made to suffer in the flesh. Drop them off in Fallujah. Let them stand with their friends and allies there.

Posted by: Jon, Imperial Hunter at Apr 3, 2004 10:59:32 AM

I keep hearing people like the InstaPundit say "These people aren't anti-war, they're just on the other side." When exactly are we going to carry this logic to it's conclusion? Certainly behavior like Kos' invites that next step in the proposition:

1. We are at war with evil scum who do things like what happened in Fallujah.

2. In a war, the other side is called the Enemy.

3. People like Kos and his are on the other side.

4. They are the Enemy.

What is the proper treatment of the Enemy in war? Is it to allow them to live among us and disrupt our lives? Is it to allow them any role, no matter how small, in governing this country? Or is it to give them the choice of the Enemy in any war:

1. Sit down, shut up, and live your lives in such a fashion that we have no reason to consider your existence,

2. Leave this country and go to where our Enemies dwell, there to live according to the options in #1, or

3. Fight against us, wherever you are, and Die, in whatever fashion is most convenient to us.

Kos and his have chosen the first part of option 3. It's time for them to get the second half. Now.

Posted by: SDN at Apr 3, 2004 11:35:22 AM

If Kos did not make it clear by his repeated "mercenary" name-calling his commentors sure do. They - including Kos - are not using "mercenary" in the sense of "soldier for hire", they are using it in the sense of "person who believes he should get paid". Several come right out and despair that we are "exporting capatilism" to the area. Golly, what was in place before?

Yes, Kos suffered seeing similar things himself. Apparently his answer is to allow only unpaid persons or forcibly conscripted persons to participate in cleaning up the aftermath: if you're being paid, or volunteered, and are killed you deserve it - and to have your body torn apart, and children play with your fire-blackened bones.

Someone elsewhere said the left (as opposed to liberals) doesn't hate Bush because of the war, they hate the war because of Bush. Kos and his followers do not hate the rioters because they weren't paid, but they hate the victims because they were.

"They're not there for humanitarian reasons (I doubt they'd donate half their paycheck to the Red Cross or whatever)." Do you, Kos? And doubt if you will, but from their biographies they donated quite a bit more than the average before going to Iraq.

Posted by: John Anderson at Apr 3, 2004 12:28:21 PM

This was Iraq's Boston Tea Party! The insurgents who annihilated those colonizers will be the Founding Fathers of the new and resurgent Iraq.

You saw the contemporary versions of Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, etc..

Posted by: Dong at Apr 3, 2004 1:10:34 PM

Adam,

You may be right about the Marines not following time tested tactics. I'm sure a fairly large city like that starts to approach the bounds of small wars tactics, and I'm not sure that an attempt to section off (slice up?) parts of the city to try and seperate the insurgents wouldn't just create endless exposures for our forces. But that may be why we said our force is going to be overwhelming. Standard city combat tactics advise, I think, about 100 men per linear block in an advance, but this is assuming European (WW-II) or Soviet type defending foces.

Anyway, I noticed throughout several threads on Kos that his crowd seems convinced that if someone is privately paid to provide security, then they must be the equivalent of medieval plunderers who are raping, killing, and assassinating. The idea that the US and humanitarian organizations are paying top dollar to make sure their shipments of food and medical supplies don't get hijacked by bands of Ba'athist loyalists or highwaymen doesn't seem to enter their reality. They're too focused on hating anything that represents capitalism.

They also can't seem to grasp the fact that the US military isn't trained to act as private bodyguards for local officials and others, which is what many of the private security people are doing. A private bodyguard travels where his principal does, and we can't have a military that's always scratching its head wondering what a master sergeant and a some corporals are up to, driving around over hell's half acre without constantly radioing in their updated locations.


Posted by: George Turner at Apr 3, 2004 1:19:39 PM

dong says,

This was Iraq's Boston Tea Party! The insurgents who annihilated those colonizers will be the Founding Fathers of the new and resurgent Iraq.

The Boston Tea Party was an effort to protest taxation without representation and became a call to get rid of rule by absolute monarchy, much like a protest AGAINST Saddam or fundamentalist theocracy. If anything, there actions would be the uncivilized version of the Boston Massacre.

You saw the contemporary versions of Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, etc..

Actually no. Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson were the offspring of the enlightenment, and created a republic under the rule of law where freedom and personal responsibility reigned supreme. The thugs in Iraq are more like the monkeys in "2001: A Space Odyssey". Keep in mind that it's the people of Fallujah who served as part of the core of Saddam's fascist death squads. Not the Boston Tea Party, more like Kristalnacht.


Posted by: George Turner at Apr 3, 2004 1:28:47 PM

George,

Congrats on your blog, by the way. Good luck with it.

My critique was aimed more at the use of force. For weeks prior to the Marines' trade-off with the airborne, I read Marine officers saying that they planned to use a softer touch and develop a sense of trust with the locals. That trust then leads to better success against insurgents. This jives with what I read in the manual you recommended. Written in 1940, it says just what the Marine brass was saying prior to the actual assumption of occupation duty.

Now, the Marines are actually on the ground and in the thick of it. There's no difference in tactics that I can see from the press reports (a poor source of info, I know) I wonder if the Brits are having any better luck on their end?

I haven't seen much that says exactly what the 4 murdered men were doing. Guarding a food convoy? If so, then the food vendor has some well trained, high-dollar guards. Woudn't it be cheaper (and less incendiary) to hire local Iraqis to do the guarding? I'm certain this kind of thing will happen again. Once the murderers get this kind of attention - the whole world has seen the footage - they'll try to do it again, mullahs or no mullahs.

It would be nice to know how many people are working security in Iraq right now. These men - mostly ex-soldiers, it seems - have poorly defined responsibilities and protections in the Geneva convention, as best I can tell from what I've read today. What is their role? Should our generals on the ground consider these contractors as equal to the US soldiers in Iraq now? Are they identical?

If so, that will create enormous headaches for the officers running the occupation. Halliburton may be willing to send a squad of mercenaries making $10K per month into places a US airborne captain may NOT be willing to send a squad of US servicemen.

If NOT, then how far do we go in our support of these soldiers for hire? It seems to me that we either treat them exactly the same, or not. If we DO treat them the same, then I for one would like to see far greater control by our regular officers over what the contractors do on the ground. I don't want a Halliburton exec sending 4 men in a Humvee into a death trap again. Because next time, it may not be just the 4 men who get killed, it may also be the men who come to avenge or rescue them.


Posted by: Adam at Apr 3, 2004 8:15:56 PM

Wretchard from Belmont Club noticed that the terrain around Fallujah makes it difficult for the scumbags to get out. Most of the area is very open, little or no cover. And Marines are good shots.

Posted by: Eric Sivula at Apr 4, 2004 1:48:26 PM

dedication to a true hero Scott Helvenston

Posted by: Anonymous at Dec 7, 2004 6:48:00 PM

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