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November 15, 2005

A Fresh Look at Casualties

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The difference between a war run by Democrats, and a war run by Republicans. I was in that first one. My big objection was that it had no goals. What were we there for?
12 months. (1 tour)

Posted by: Billll at Nov 26, 2005 7:04:50 PM

So if I post this over at kos how long would it take them to ban me ?

Posted by: Scott at Nov 27, 2005 2:46:11 AM

Dad served in nam as well.I do see similarities in that Republicans are letting the media commit treason and also Congress,in ealier wars,FDR ,Wilson,Lincoln,and Jackson wouldn't have tolerated such stupidity as this administration has done.This has to be one of the most stupidest things that the Administration has done by letting this gone on for four years and then you address it,its still weak.I won't to see some hanging or a firing squad for the media and any other treasonous assholes,that will get their attention.

Posted by: Lisa Gilliam at Nov 27, 2005 4:12:01 PM

What stupidity has this administration done along the lines of parking the fighters wingtip to wingtip on airfields so the Japanese could strafe them efficiently at Pearl Harbor? What stupidity has this administration done such as the invasion of Iwo Jima where the japanese fighters were already grounded for lack of fuel. Yes, I am well aware of the number of B-29s that landed there, but nearly all landed for training, and if the island was not captured, they would have done their training somewhere else.

From first to last World War II was a disaster, beginning with when the Japanese showed up an hour late to break relations, fooled by the complexity of Daylight Savings. They were supposed to get there half hour before the bombing, and instead got there half hour after the bombing.

Congress cut the manufacture of 105 and 155 artillery ammunition because there were excess stocks in North Africa. Odd thing: the new production came out just in time for the new variable time fuses, which got there just in time for the German Ardennes Offensive, and accidently increased the effectiveness of artillery shoots by 10X.

The temporary success of the Sherman in North Africa delayed new designs for a year, when the Tigers and Panthers were coming out. The US doctrine of employing lightly armored tank destroyers (M3 half tracks with 75mm guns, M10s with 3 inch guns and M36s with 90mm guns, all with minimal armor)against enemy tanks while US tanks were to avoid enemy tanks, even if the enemy counterattacked with tanks, was terribly flawed. Even when Sermans were equiped with high velocity 76mm guns, Tank were not supposed to be issued the TunstenCarbide rounds which made them more effective. Those rounds were reserved for the tank destroyers.

The Aberdeen Proving Grounds wanted to put the M26 through the usual evaluation course when what the Army needed was its 90mm cannon on a heavily armored tank with an effective torsion bar suspension. When the US finally made it, they outproduced the 3 year production of Tigers in 6 months. During the delay, Shermans got the nickname "Ronson" after the cigarette lighter whose jingle was "One strike and it lights".

Anyone care to mention the tremendous losses from the US heavy bombers flying in daylight against German factories? Result: a 20 percent reduction in ball bearing production for two weeks, and 30% loss rates for the bombers, with 9 men in each.

Care to consider the misuse of black soldiers and airmen? The FDR army was segregated. The FDR Marines didn't allow blacks at all. The FDR Navy only permitted blacks as hewers of wood and carriers of water. Only after pressure from losses and lengthy "experiments" were black units allowed to serve as combat units.

No, FDR, Lincoln, Wilson, ectera had their own screw ups. The current operations are amazingly efficient by comparison. War is a terrible thing at the best of times, but not the worst of things. Cowardice, the fear to do the right things, because of momentary pain or risk is a shameful thing. May our nation never (again) be so shamed.

Posted by: Don Meaker at Nov 28, 2005 12:59:40 AM

just my opin , but i think you should also include traffic deaths for those time periods , just to keep things in perspective.

Posted by: l j at Nov 28, 2005 7:30:22 PM

Thanks, buddy! I'll be stealing this. Let me know if you want your rapiers back ;)

Posted by: David at Dec 4, 2005 4:11:18 AM

JESUS CHRIST HAS REMOVED HIS BLESSING FROM AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE AMERINAZIS. THIS HAPPENS WHEN A COUNTRY BECOMES SO THOROUGHLY CORRUPT THAT IT BEGINS VIOLATING THE LORD'S LAWS FLAGRANTLY. AMERICA'S LAST HALF DOZEN WARS HAVE BEEN WAGED PRIMARILY TO BOOST A PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATINGS. THOSE ARE UNJUST WARS, AND EVERYBODY KILLED IN THEM IS A MURDER VICTIM. PLUS, LOOK AT WHAT A DEN OF THIEVES THE AMERICAN MARKETPLACE HAS BECOME. AMERICA IS SOON TO BE TOPPLED, MUCH THE SAME AS THE FIRST NAZI NATION, GERMANY, WAS WHEN THEY WENT TOO FAR. MARK MY WORDS. http://www.mixposure.com/song.php?songid=20936
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AND DON’T MIMICK YOUR COMMUNIST FIRST COUSINS BY CENSORING THIS POST.

Posted by: DEAN BERRY -- REAL AMERICAN at Dec 25, 2005 8:44:30 PM

Just a question there, Dean-gle-Berry.. who's gonna whoop us? No one. I guess that's why you leftists are trying to help the enemies of America as much as you can, huh? And since when do you Neo-COMS (my word, but feel free to use it) believe in Jesus Christ? Go worship a rock or something like ya'll normally do.

Asshat.

Kudos for the graph, errrr.. Bastard. Kind of an odd name, but has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Skizz at Dec 26, 2005 2:06:05 AM

Vietnam's Goal: make the President look good (and test new military hardware)

Iraq's Goal: make the President look good (and test new military hardware)


Results: everyone's pissed at both Presidents (but we did test new hardware)

Posted by: Thomas at Jan 12, 2006 9:25:06 AM

10000 casulaties in a single morning in Iwo Jiwa were "acceptable".
Japan did attack USA BTW.

Most people feel 50-100 death/month in Iraq is too much. BTW Iraq was no threat to us.

Posted by: hector at Feb 8, 2006 9:16:29 AM

?? I thought that the Vietnam War started before 1966. I'd like to see you graph the comparison of casualties from the beginning of the Vietnam with casualties from the beginning of the Iraq war.

Thank you for your consideration in providing this forum.

Posted by: gary s at Mar 4, 2006 11:59:08 AM

Yeah what a waste Vietnam was 60K Americans dead and 2 million or so Indochinese. And for what ? We should have realized then that Vietnam would become a strategic partner against its traditional enemy, China. Republicans want to blame Kennedy or Johnson for getting us into that debacle but they always forget what the right wing's position was at that time

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